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Workout Supp Stack?


#1

Lately i have been using whey, dextrose, and creatine mono as an intra lifting cocktail along with a pre-workout supp like Assault. I have been reading the reviews on Plazma and have been thinking about giving it a go.

One statement Chris made was that NO boosters dont really do anything anyways. Should I go ahead ditch the typicall pre-workouts and go with just caffeine or Spike, use Plazma, and add some creatine to the Plazma?

As for a post Protein supp, i would just follow up with a large protein meal instead of having to get a bunch of MAG-10…but i would love your suggestions. Thanks guys.


#2

That’s a great looking dog in your avatar…

Okay, down to business. First, if you haven’t read this yet, it really gets into the science behind pre, intra and post-workout nutrition: <a href="http://www.t-nation.com/supplements/what-you-dont-know-about-workout-supplementation"target=“new”>What You Don’t Know About Workout Supplementation That should really help you out.

There’s basically zero need for a “pre-workout” used in the traditional sense of the word: that usually means an NO-type of supplement mixed with a cheap stimulant like caffeine. If you like a stimulant before training, sure, that’s fine. Go with caffeine tablets or ramp things up with <a href="http://www.t-nation.com/store/products/spike-shooter"target=“new”>Spike Shooter or <a href="http://www.t-nation.com/store/products/spike-tablets"target=“new”>Spike Tablets. Purely optional.

But when we talk about pre-workout, we mean things that actually lead to better performance in the gym, faster recovery and better gains from each workout. That’s where <a href="http://www.t-nation.com/store/products/plazma"target=“new”>Plazma comes in. It’s a stand-alone supplement, no need to add anything to it, although if you like creatine and it’s pure powdered <a href="http://www.t-nation.com/store/products/creatine"target=“new”>creatine and not a blend of a bunch of things, that’s fine and it won’t interfere with the Plazma formula. One serving of Plazma is pre-loaded before lifting and then you have one or two more during training.

If you really want to nail post-workout, look into <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/MAG-10"target=“new”>MAG-10. The article linked to above explains the reasons and you’ll get far better results than a standard protein shake.


#3

[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
That’s a great looking dog in your avatar…

Okay, down to business. First, if you haven’t read this yet, it really gets into the science behind pre, intra and post-workout nutrition: <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/supplements/what-you-dont-know-about-workout-supplementation"target=“new”>What You Don’t Know About Workout Supplementation That should really help you out.

There’s basically zero need for a “pre-workout” used in the traditional sense of the word: that usually means an NO-type of supplement mixed with a cheap stimulant like caffeine. If you like a stimulant before training, sure, that’s fine. Go with caffeine tablets or ramp things up with <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/spike-shooter"target=“new”>Spike Shooter or <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/spike-tablets"target=“new”>Spike Tablets. Purely optional.

But when we talk about pre-workout, we mean things that actually lead to better performance in the gym, faster recovery and better gains from each workout. That’s where <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/plazma"target=“new”>Plazma comes in. It’s a stand-alone supplement, no need to add anything to it, although if you like creatine and it’s pure powdered <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/creatine"target=“new”>creatine and not a blend of a bunch of things, that’s fine and it won’t interfere with the Plazma formula. One serving of Plazma is pre-loaded before lifting and then you have one or two more during training.

If you really want to nail post-workout, look into <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/MAG-10"target=“new”>MAG-10. The article linked to above explains the reasons and you’ll get far better results than a standard protein shake. [/quote]

One more question about timing post workout nutrition. The directions mention consuming the PW sup (MAG-10) an hour after finishing. Is it better to wait this hour to consume? I’ve been consuming directly after my workout. Sometimes I’m finishing a drink of workout fuel and then immediately drinking surge recovery. Is there a benefit to spacing this out a little bit? Thank you! I’m trying to take your insight and turn it into my success. Eventually I’ll go plazma to MAG-10.


#4

It sounds like you’re mixing protocols unnecessarily. For example, there’s really no need to use Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery at the same time. Surge Workout Fuel is already a pre, during and post workout drink. So why add another post-workout drink (Surge Recovery.) And honestly, Surge Recovery is sort of old-school. Biotest keeps it around because people love it, but they’d love their workouts and results even more if they switched to pre and intra workout nutrition, Plazma or Surge Workout Fuel.

But the “wait about an hour” guideline is for those using proper pre and intra workout nutrition. No need to wait an hour if you’re not. If you are, then Plazma or Surge Workout Fuel is already “in you” doing its thing. You want to have that peak and valley of blood amino acid levels for the protein pulsing effect. The best method is to simply use Plazma pre and during, wait about an hour, then pulse with Mag-10. When you do that, there’s no need for any other workout supplement such as any of the Surge products.


#5

[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
It sounds like you’re mixing protocols unnecessarily. For example, there’s really no need to use Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery at the same time. Surge Workout Fuel is already a pre, during and post workout drink. So why add another post-workout drink (Surge Recovery.) And honestly, Surge Recovery is sort of old-school. Biotest keeps it around because people love it, but they’d love their workouts and results even more if they switched to pre and intra workout nutrition, Plazma or Surge Workout Fuel.

But the “wait about an hour” guideline is for those using proper pre and intra workout nutrition. No need to wait an hour if you’re not. If you are, then Plazma or Surge Workout Fuel is already “in you” doing its thing. You want to have that peak and valley of blood amino acid levels for the protein pulsing effect. The best method is to simply use Plazma pre and during, wait about an hour, then pulse with MAG-10. When you do that, there’s no need for any other workout supplement such as any of the Surge products.

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Bummer. Got like 3 jugs of recovery left still. In an effort to recap some things I’ve asked about and other things I’ve read could you please give me your opinion? I was previously doing crossfit but wrecked both my shoulders and now just lift in a “Globo” gym but I try to follow some of the overall themes from TNation to get strong. (Don’t have or care about beach muscles.) I also play a lot of indoor and outdoor soccer.

I am stocked on SWF and considering Plazma for my lifting sessions. May still try to pulse the surge recovery on lift days and just save the SWF for soccer games and practices. If I’m reading correctly I’ll maximize with Plazma in the gym and SWF for the soccer field right? Does the recovery work for the pulsing effect or should I just use it for breakfast until I run out?

I apologize if any of this is redundant! Thank you again. Just trying to maximize on what I have and start buying for the future as effectively as possible.


#6
  1. Nothing wrong with Surge Recovery. Still a favorite with a lot of repeat buyers and loyal users. Use it up and then you can upgrade later. No worries. Some Surge Recovery users have found that sipping a little during training helps too, sort Plazma-style. Not quite the same effect, but it helps.

  2. Yes, good plan. Surge Workout Fuel is perfect for competitions where Plazma shines for hard weight training.

  3. Recovery is really only made for post-weight training. Wouldn’t have the same effect for protein pulsing (too many carbs as well for pulsing.)