[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Most <a href="http://www.T-Nation.com/store/products/plazma"target=“new”>Plazma users are former users of our previous workout nutrition products, like Surge, and they’ll usually tell you that Plazma is far superior and noticeably better. Of course, if someone has never used workout nutrition and they go straight to Plazma, their results seem “magical” because they have filled in a major gap with the best possible supplement.
There are many supplements and ingredients being sold out there that claim to be the same as what’s in Plazma. But the fact is, there is simply no way for that to be true. Why? Because they charge less than what the quality raw ingredients cost. Now, you tell me: are they running a charity or are they doing some funny business with their labels and ingredient claims? I think this is one reason why people find Plazma and other Biotest supplements to be so superior and work so much better: you’re actually getting large amounts of the best ingredients. With other supplements, you’re getting waste products claiming to be the real thing, or they’re using the quality ingredients but not enough of them to have an effect on the body (or they’re adding “filler” and not claiming that on the label - a popular ruse of cheaper supplements, especially proteins.)
As for the water content, Tim Patterson has studied and tested this extensively: the amount of water called for is the amount that’s needed for you to get the most out of the supplement. Again, I suppose many supplement companies would not let the customer know this because they know that some people won’t want to drink that much. Tim would rather you get the best results possible, so the water amounts called for reflect that. [/quote]
Chris, I am hoping that you did not take my comments in a negative fashion, this was not my intent. I know that Biotest produces quality products; hence the reason I use your products. For example I know I can get bulk L- Leuncine cheaper, but after using your Luecine product I will continue. After using Hydrolyzed products in the past you never forget the taste. I can tell your Leucine product is a higher quality that other raw L- Leucine products.
I have been revisiting some of my old muscle mags from the 90’s (a bit of nostalgia and also fun to revisit what is still relevant vs. bogus information at the time). It is very interesting to see all the old advertisements and realized that 75% of the supplement companies back in the day are no longer in existence. Biotest has stood the test of time and that is something to consider for anyone out there who is in search of cheaper supplements.
I am trying the Indigo 3g product for the first time and after doing this for 20 plus years, I am amazed at the results. I have become very jaded with marketing and advertising in the supplement market (a lot of smoke and mirrors). I am happy to say that Indigo is a very solid addition to my supplement line. When I start my bulking phase in the fall I plan on using the Micro-PA product to see what results I can accomplish.
Just to touch on the flavor- I have had other hydrolyzed casein myself, and what should have been “Dutch chocolate” tasted instead like if you were to imagine oily boardwalk French fries getting cold and soggy- best way I can describe it. I had to order more flavoring from that company and add way more than should have been necessary, and at that point it wasn’t even pleasant, it simply made it so I could drink it without gagging.
Having said that, Plazma tastes awesome. Not compared to that other crap I ingested, but simply awesome. If you like the taste of things like Gatorade- you will LOVE Plazma. Even better- you can make the flavor more concentrated or more diluted to suit your tastes. I love the Lime flavor. Others are good of course, and I even mixed lemon and lime once I saw someone comment that it was like anabolic Sprite (not far off)…it is GOOD STUFF.
In my experience, I can taste a very, very slight hint of bitterness doing a pulse of MAG-10 with the same amount of flavoring I would use for one serving of Plazma, whereas I get none with Plazma. Plazma I can actually use less flavoring than recommended and it simply isn’t as sweet, but not bitter.
Anyway, if you still have the bitter taste of those other CH products sticking with you, try Plazma, and you will be amazed. [/quote] I didn’t like it at first but one of the main reasons I’ll never go back to regular protein shakes other then meal replacements is because the MAG-10 is so easy to drink. It’s just like drinking water or gatorade as opposed to a milk shake.